LOL35 Writing group for women writers aged 35+


You are creative and alive and not a corporate robot! That alone deserves admiration. it is hard and takes courage to swim against the stream. Creativity is punished in our society. Tekkies rule the world.
Time to go mole on them…
Erk, no mole emojis!!!


Agreed…There is no value assigned to creativity unless you can be a commercial success (and in that case most people respect your money and not your creativity).


According to this article, the ‘magic formula’ is to find your niche and be very, very prolific, writing as many as 21 full-length novels in three years. And you have to be willing to run a business at the same time:


Wow. Fascinating. 21 novels in three years is - a lot. I’m sure there are writers who can do this AND write well, but I could not, certainly not while holding down a full-time job. And even if I were not, my sweetspot would be two novels a year. I need goals, but I don’t like pressure. Turns my mind into mush…
So, I won’t ever make a full income from writing but that’s okay.
It’s actually an interesting question - what amount of writing do people feel comfortable with?


I’ve never been comfortable with word goals. I prefer to allocate a block of time to thinking/plotting/planning the novel (without distractions). That helps me get some words on paper. But if I make a word goal, I’ll have a brain-freeze.


That is a staggering amount of novels. I’m not able to do that. I can barely put out 4 short stories or novellas a year, and I’ve got hundreds to work with.

His sales aren’t that high either, 10k. (LOL I’ve given away 3x that many e-books.)

I will say this - there was a mass exodus from Amazon in 2016 and my sales, actual $, doubled as the number of freebies has gone down.

I’m having a run on paperbacks, like 55 page paper copies of short fiction. Knock me over with a feather.


The payment ends up being a little less than half a penny per page, authors told me, but those who are read the most can also get monthly bonuses as high as $25,000.

$0.0045 - which is a frustratingly small payment per e-book page. Magazine markets used to pay a penny a word.


It’s ends up being around $2.25 for a 100K novel since KU counts pages differently. I think the difference with the penny and the magazine is that you only got paid once and relinquished your rights to your work, while with KU, you get paid for every borrow.

I’m not saying it’s perfect, but it helps especially in a month with sales promotions. At the moment, my KU revenue is about twice my sales revenue. Even during the week I ran Kindle Countdown specials, the revenue per page stays always the same.


I don’t have a novel that long. I’ve got short stories and it ends up being between 20 and 30 pages for me.

Chump change compared to $1.44 per paperback. I’m starting to shift over my shorts to paper.


King and Robinson, of Alexa Riley, told me that a traditional publishing house probably would never have accepted their manuscripts because their books were too dirty.

They write Romantica/erotica. Erotica is always shorter than 80k. More like 30k to 50k. MUCH faster to write. It also sounds like the two of them tag-team, also easier to get 7 novella’s a year published.

Carina press is ‘pay to play’ publishing and they keep the rights for life of copyright.

Romantica is lucrative. I wouldn’t write it under either of my current pen-names, that’s for sure.


It used to be that Magazines held First North American Serial Rights for 1 or 2 years, then the rights reverted back to the author. Not sure what they do now.


As far as I know, it’s more of commissioned work now, so you “sell” the piece to them with all the rights attached, but I’m not 100% sure.


Sex sells, but personally, I would struggle with it also (on top of running out of ideas after a while, lol)


I’d be bored to death, trying to write 7 pornos a year. Readers devour them like potato chips, though.

I’ve got a couple hot scenes in my Romantic Suspense, but I don’t follow the Rules of Romance. There were two Romance imprints interested in my first novel, ‘Let’s Do Lunch’ but they rejected it because there wasn’t enough sex. I tacked one scene onto the end and turned up the heat on another scene and it wasn’t enough, so I self-published.

I just can’t write graphic sex scenes.


I must explore the concept. How about some nice historical romances, studded with abs and thrusting manhoods all over the place. All you have to do is change the time and costume, then you can lock up the poor serf with the King’s daughter (or the servant with the Prince) and off we go.
But it would bore me too.
Titillation doesn’t come from describing technical functionalities. We are mostly familiar with those


So, the conclusion is either write what the market craves (i.e. erotica) and push out at least one novel per month, better two… or write what you like and don’t complain if it doesn’t sell.

Works for me. I’ll stick with my obscure sub genres and try to finish the next short story in time… no chance to pack ONC on top.


There are other niches beside erotica.

If you’ve read the Smashwords New Year’s statement, like I did - there’s a definite feeling of panic in the Erotica genre. Coker’s essay sounded a more than a bit panicked, at least to my ear. I’ve been reading his statements since the beginning and his tone has drastically changed over the years.

Smashwords has changed their website to make buying from them a bit easier. As if they are trying to shore up the Romantica market by being a vendor.

Markets change. You never know.


Stacy, those sound like amazing plans! And your winter break was clearly just what the doctor ordered! I love how you’re constantly growing and changing, and embracing yourself.

I can just see you blowing bubbles. That’s so nice. I’m happy for you. It seems like you’re getting ready for a new romance in your life??? :wink: hey-hey-hey…

I absolutely agree that cleaning up the outside can help the inside–I’ve been taking advantage of that fact (sometimes to my detriment) for years. Unfortunately, I struggle a bit with OCD so I can let that ‘outside perfection’ go overboard… I always tell my friends that they can easily see how shitty I feel by how good I look! haha! I get into a fit if I leave the house without tidying up my room… It’s so annoying! But I’m working on it.

Your story about buying new clothes and testing foods reminds me of a discovery I made yesterday while walking around a grocery store. I saw a bunch of snacks that in the past I would have enjoyed, but no longer partake of. And I suddenly saw myself through my old eyes. Old me would have sneered at new me as being a ‘body-obsesses, pathetic “dieter.”’ And it suddenly hit me that at the age of 18, when I decided I would never diet again, that I made that decision because I didn’t know how to take care of myself (I grew up in poverty with low quality food), and I didn’t want to feel like a failure. So I externalized my inability to diet as hating women who DID know how to eat well… Ahh…

What I’m learning is that growth and change is a slow, lifetime process. I don’t eat perfectly, but I’ve taken big steps in the last year (and gosh, some might even call it a diet!) and it feels so good.


@SallyMason1 and @lhansenauthor

Wow, Sal and Lina, you two are BUSY ladies!!! So many projects on the go. I guess with that much stuff going on, you don’t ever get depressed after finishing something. People tell me that finishing can be depressing, but you’re already working on something else.

Lina, I found an amazing beta-reader, so I don’t need anyone to read the book, but would be nice if you could read my query package (query letter and first 10 pages). I’m happy to return the favour.

Congratulations on the sequel to Dork, Ann! That’s wonderful! I’m happy for you.

I can totally relate to the self-doubt. Counselling in the last year has worked wonders. I feel things shifting in me that I never thought would change.


Emojis! I’ve recently embraced my inner emoji-lover! I LOVE them, and I’m not ashamed of it anymore!!! :smirk: :partying_face: :scream_cat: