Webnovel vs Radish vs Tapas vs Wattpad: pay by chapter Premium program


#42

We have a saying here - “never let the truth get in the way of a good story” and it applies to Schulyer, who has created this elaborate fictional tale that bears no resemblance whatsoever to reality. He casts himself as the victim, when in fact he is the one who has bullied and harassed multiple Wattpad users over a period of years. He makes outrageous claims that simply never happened.

He belabours the point about having 100k+ novels as though its some special exception. It’s not. If he had done his research he would know that 100k+ is standard in sci-fi, fantasy and historical novels due to the world building. He constantly bemoans trad as having a 100K hard limit. It doesn’t. Trad will always make an exception for extraordinary books. There are numerous examples of debuts in the 200-300k range. But they key is to have an extraordinary story.

Readers don’t owe you anything. Denigrating reader intelligence because your story isn’t to their taste is not only bad form but incredibly conceited. If you have to explain your story to readers, you haven’t done your job as a writer. If readers stop after a few pages, you haven’t hooked them. If readers find your MC boring, you need to revisit your basics and create empathy with the character. But these are all inconvenient truths that don’t fit his victim narrative.

And yet again an interesting conversation has been hijacked by him and turned into a victim spiel. Perhaps we could all ignore him and continue with the topic under discussion?


#43

Thomas Wolfe. At least according to the movie “Genius” about him working with his editor, Max Perkins.

Wolfe brought his manuscript into Perkins’ office. The boxes almost filled up the office. He thought every word was perfect and needed, but Perkins made him cut much of it. The result was a great book. But, according to the movie, Wolfe thought cutting a single word made his novel weaker and resented Perkins.

When Wolfe changed publishers and had a new editor, his novels didn’t do too well.

Perkins, btw, also edited for Hemingway and Fitzgerald.


#44

Years ago, I started reading “Gravity’s Rainbow.” I gave up. Didn’t understand it.

I once googled it because I couldn’t recall who the author was and found it on a list of the 5 most difficult novels. Thomas Pynchon, the author, actually wrote a book to explain the novel (as did others).


#45

I long ago decided that I would never read a word of Schulyer’s fiction, if he ever publishes any of it. (His posts here don’t count.) He might be a wonderful writer, but the incessant complaints and inevitable derailment of any thread he posts in have built up a picture of a person whose company I would go out of my way to avoid. I would find it hard to put that picture aside while reading anything he’s written, and I don’t want to encourage that sort of behaviour by rewarding it with money.


#46

Me too, Steven.


#47

“Help will always be given at hogwarts to those who ask.”

The same can be applied to wattpad. This thing is a journey and a partnership with everyone long before the story reaches its purchasing audience, if ever. I think if out of 65 million people who frequent here most choose to support not only a story that suit their own taste, which is their right but also an author whose personality is favorable, I think that alone should tell him what he needs to work on. But he wants to be worshipped and that is his problem, not anyone else’s.

But you see, when dealing narcissistic personalities, courage can be conjured from even the most peculiar places. Delusion and conceit are usually symptoms of a larger problem which is much bigger than just being arrogant. The minute he gets a shread, a sliver of compassion he uses it as fuel to continue his abusive program.

We ask the question what does he want? Like Grindelwald, like Voldemort, he wants followers which is very different from just readers. Cult followings probably aren’t the best things for a writer especially if they actually want to continue to grow.


#48

Pardon me while I go puke.

Us not worshiping at your feet doesn’t mean we’re some lower life forms incapable of thought and not worthy of comprehending your supreme G-d tier writing.

Not to mention that simply reading this run-on ladened nonsensical circular ego stroking session makes it abundantly clear that you should not be judging the writing abilities of anyone.


#49

Anyone who thinks that they are above beta readers or critique or editing is almost certainly not worth reading. I’ve found that, regardless of field, the people who think themselves and their work to be perfect are almost always the furthest from it.


#50

Radish has moved a lot toward enticing published romance authors. Radish is good at what it does, but if you’re not writing romance, it’s a hard marketplace to break into. I’ve been part of their Select program writing a almost-new adult thriller and even with front page exposure (and shirtless dude cover lol) it hardly stood a chance against the steamy romances.


#51

Now that Wattpad has decided to take this route, I think it still has a big edge on other competitors because Wattpad has always had the social aspect. The thing that I found frustrating with Radish wasn’t necessarily that I didn’t get the comments (love commenters), it’s that there is no way to promote a Radish work on the app where the readers ARE. It’s difficult to find Radish readers, so it’s very much about trying to convert people into Radish readers, which is a lot of work for little gain, versus on Wattpad, where you can promote your work to people who are ON THE PLATFORM already, you can get more readers for the same effort you might put into advertising for some of these competitors. You’re not always working to convert people onto an app to read your work.

I think to do well on apps like Radish and Tapas, you need to be known in specific genres, and have different skills than you use to get a reader-base on Wattpad. Radish has a different standard of professionality and a lot of authors featured there now are published romance writers who are releasing the books as sort of a co-production not dissimilar to how Netflix and CW tag-team TV series like Riverdale.


#52

I received their reply recently. Rejected, of course.

So no Radish for me.

I don’t write romances so the refusal doesn’t affect me.


#53

I agree with this. Also, there’s one thing that people on these forums don’t talk about when wondering how to get more reads on both Wattpad and Radish: cliffhangers.

If every chapter has a cliff, you’re more likely to gain readers. I don’t mean a cliff as in “She stared into space, wondering what would happen.” I’m talking about HOLY CRAP DID THE HERO JUST DIE?

So, if you’re writing a new book, consider the END of the chapter FIRST, and write to that end (it’s what I do, anyway, and has worked pretty well for me).


#54

Cliff hangers are great for getting readers to feel addicted.

Webnovels thrive on cliff hangers. Itchy to click on the next chapter.


#55

Webnovel has a lot of writers who are at pro level though. Though they are Chinese authors.

The translations of these top Chinese authors are bringing in the readers.

Readers came for the translations and now branching out to English Originals.

For writers, competition among these platform is a good thing. Webnovel, Radish, Tapas, Wattpad are competing to gain paying readers. Authors will benefit from the traffic these sites/apps will bring.

A writer might not get accepted into the Premium pay by chapter program by one platform but he/she might get accepted by another platform. Additional choice is always good.


#56

It’s still very early day for the Pay By Chapter web/app novel concept.

We just getting started really.

In China, it is a very matured business. I believe they started charging pay by chapter concept back in 2004 or so. Or maybe even earlier. 10+ years later, there are several top web authors who are making over $1 million USD each year.

Here is an excerpt from the article back in 2015 from Publishing Perspective with the title "Is This the “Golden Age” for Chinese Web Authors?"

In fact, there are now so many web-writers in China (in the millions) that they are now “ranked,” both by their earnings and number of fans.

On the lowest level is the ordinary writer, also “known as poor guy (or poor guy writer).” They have a limited number of fans, and their work is seldom recommended to others. Their annual income is around 1,000 yuan.

Next up are the Xiaoshen (low rank god) writers with a fan base of more than 100,000 and annual earnings of more than 100,000 yuan ($16,100).

One step further up the ladder are the dashen (super god) class of writers with earnings of more than 1 million yuan ($161,200) with fans counted in the millions as well.

At the very top of the tier are the 20-30 web writers known as platinum authors or zhigaoshen (the Supreme God) class of writers. The 2014 Chinese web-writers list ranks Tangjiasanshao first, with earnings of 50 million yuan (around $8.06 million) per year from royalties, while second and third on the list both raked in more than 25 million yuan ($4.03 million) each.

maybe 10 years from now, the top app/web authors can make that kind of money writing for Webnovel / Tapas / Radish / Wattpad. Maybe…maybe not…but I wouldn’t be surprised if there are several hundreds of full-time app/web authors making decent living from writing app/web novels in a few years time.


#57

I can see this happening as the meta trends change in the future from physical sales to digital. As the world becomes more digital through the use of inter-connectivity, this will become more of a way to see new works. For example, the movie industry is becoming very saturated since it’s harder to find “original” works, but then again, there’s so many writers within the pool that you have to find a way to rise above the rest.

I know that doesn’t sound good, but with most creative fields, it’s not what you know, but who you know.

As the digital age rises quickly, it wouldn’t surprise me that digital sales will exceed psychical books at some point in the western market. We’ve always been slower in the meta trends anyway. But at the end of the day, things are moving in different directions and it’ll be interesting to see how things pan out over time.


#58

I completely agree with this. I think serial novels on apps are in their infancy — I’m excited to be at the forefront of this.


#59

As publisher of a magazine called Bentley’s Miscellany, Dickens began publishing Oliver Twist in installments between February 1837 and April 1838, with the full book edition published in November 1838.

It’s not new.


#60

I’m aware of that. That’s why I said, “on apps.” It’s an old publishing format on a new medium.


#61

I will say for Tapas, I once tried to shift a story there and the formatting was a bit of a pain. My chapters are between 2k and 3-3.5k words and most of my chapters would not fit in one chapter of Tapas. They limit the length too much. IMO my readers wouldn’t get enough content per purchase of a chapter, and I don’t want to haphazardly chop my scenes in half to fit. In the end I left Tapas and won’t be looking back. I like that Wattpad is trying this though.